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Surgeon General's Warning: Sanjay Gupta is a Liar

by: priceman

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 16:40:10 PM EST


(some pertinent thoughts on our new Surgeon General... - promoted by poligirl)

I don't care about his background as a neuro-surgeon. When Sanjay Gupta lied about the indisputable facts in Sicko, he made a choice and that choice was with the Insurance lobby that practices death by spreadsheet. You see, you're either in your profession, the medical profession, to help patients and to ease human suffering or you're in it for the money. The fact that Sanjay Gupta was not angry after seeing this film like I was and most other people who can see a systematic catastrophe(though I had my experience with this before Sicko came out so I had an idea but Sicko hit it home for me) and to lie about the indisputable facts in this film and trying to use non sequtuirs(a RW favorite tactic with Moore criticism) to fudge others is unacceptable. He's doing exactly what he accuses Moore of doing and failing miserably.
priceman :: Surgeon General's Warning: Sanjay Gupta is a Liar

Shilling for a health care system that is inadequate and causes half of bankruptcies, which also BTW, is a factor in the sub prime mortgage crisis, as well as leaving 47 million uninsured and denying life saving procedures based on pre-existing conditions for those who have it or sometimes, just because they don't feel like it is maddening and unacceptable.

Kudos to Paul Krugman for mentioning this in his column today. It's short enough to where I think I can post the whole thing.

So apparently Obama plans to appoint CNN's Sanjay Gupta as Surgeon General. I don't have a problem with Gupta's qualifications. But I do remember his mugging of Michael Moore over Sicko. You don't have to like Moore or his film; but Gupta specifically claimed that Moore "fudged his facts", when the truth was that on every one of the allegedly fudged facts, Moore was actually right and CNN was wrong.

What bothered me about the incident was that it was what Digby would call Village behavior: Moore is an outsider, he's uncouth, so he gets smeared as unreliable even though he actually got it right. It's sort of a minor-league version of the way people who pointed out in real time that Bush was misleading us into war are to this day considered less "serious" than people who waited until it was fashionable to reach that conclusion. And appointing Gupta now, although it's a small thing, is just another example of the lack of accountability that always seems to be the rule when you get things wrong in a socially acceptable way.

Paul Krugman is absolutely right. I remember relishing the the righteous anger Micheal Moore had for the embarrassing CNN which I don't watch anymore and this is one of the straws that broke the patient's back and was denied surgery, so to speak. I will go through a few facts here, but you should read all of them and how biased and dishonest Sanjay Gupta was with his shilling for our for profit system was on that segment.

CNN: "Moore asserts that the American health care system spends $7,000 per person on health. Cuba spends $25 dollars per person. Not true. But not too far off. The United States spends $6,096 per person, versus $229 per person in Cuba."

THE TRUTH:

   * According to our own government - the Department of Health and Human Services' National Health Expenditures Projections - the United States will spend $7,092 per capita on health in 2006 and $7,498 in 2007. (Department of Health and Human Services Center for Medicare and Medicaid Expenditures, National Health Expenditures Projections 2006-2016. http://www.cms.hhs.gov/Nationa...
   * As for Cuba - Dr. Gupta and CNN need to watch 'SiCKO' first before commenting on it. 'SiCKO' says Cuba spends $251 per person on health care, not $25, as Gupta reports. And the BBC reports that Cuba's per capita health expenditure is... $251! (Keeping Cuba Healthy, BBC, Aug. 1 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/pro... ) This is confirmed by the United Nations Human Development Report, 2006. Yup, Cuba spends $251 per person on health care. (http://hdr.undp.org/hdr2006/statistics/indicators/52.html). As Gupta points out, the World Health Organization does calculate Cuba's per capita health expenditure at $229 per person. We chose to use the UN numbers, a minor difference - and $229 is a lot closer to $251 than $25.

That's a pretty embarrassing mistake to get all gung ho and high on your horse and their are countless other facts Gupta lies about and Moore was right to get angry as I was and am now. Now some might ask, why are you harping on this as much as you are? Well it's the ideology present I'm worried about, even though technically Sanjay Gupta could be stated as qualified to be Surgeon General. However, even though it is mainly a PR job, the Surgeon General does have a role in shaping the ideas and ideology which does shape what our health care system and what decision are made in what health care system we pursue, will look like. This is where a shill for the insurance, pharmaceutical, and for profit health system will do a lot of damage and that is unacceptable.

On a personal note, I'm sure you all remember the mandate non-mandate debates we all had this primary? Remember how we were lectured that because Obama doesn't have a mandate, that he somehow secretly supports single payer health care and hes just doing this till he gets elected and then we would all see the brilliant health care reform in his plan? Sure I know some, a lot of Kossacks told me that they don't like his plan either, but they think mandated coverage would be even worse(now since then I have had a change of heart about mandated coverage and I do think it has flaws in the economic state we are in and it doesn't provide enough care, however, I also rightfully trusted John Edwards to put the right regulations there to make a mandate work, as he has tried to do with the Patient's Bill of Rights, and because of good regulations like that, the Netherlands have mandates that work. I want HR 676 now.) but are they going to seriously pretend that they really thought the code language I always found in Obama's proposals wasn't there?

Like "Insurance will be so affordable, people will be lining up to purchase it." He didn't say it exactly like that, but that is what he is stressing with, "If people can afford it, they would be lining up to buy it," as if everyone goes to the doctor regularly and hasn't been denied treatment even with insurance. Hence we need care. I'll bet what you find on the kos right now is many of the dear Leader-ism stating what a brilliant bipartisan move this is. Well guess what?

Krugman & Newsbusters Don't Approve of Gupta Pick

Though for different reason, but still. I don't mean to harp like this is a major appointment, but the main spokesperson about health in our country shouldn't be a biased shill like Gupta and we know from Hillary's plan being defeated that waging a PR war with the help of the many lobbyists who spent millions on Harry and Louise commercials among other things to kill her plan in the 90's that this does matter.

So ends what I have called the "Obama supporter single payer myth," many Obama supporters used to attack Elizabeth and John and their supporters back in the day, even though they had the first UHC plan that Obama wouldn't even be calling universal if it weren't for Edwardses.

I should probably calm down, but that ends this rant.

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Truth! Justice! Not For Profit Health Care! (3.00 / 7)




Well done priceman. (3.00 / 4)

Krugman is absolutely right, and I was thrilled to see him call out the eternal hackery of the cocktail crowd.

What bothered me about the incident was that it was what Digby would call Village behavior: Moore is an outsider, he's uncouth, so he gets smeared as unreliable even though he actually got it right. It's sort of a minor-league version of the way people who pointed out in real time that Bush was misleading us into war are to this day considered less "serious" than people who waited until it was fashionable to reach that conclusion. And appointing Gupta now, although it's a small thing, is just another example of the lack of accountability that always seems to be the rule when you get things wrong in a socially acceptable way.

This is the problem.  The only thing worth than idiots running the village is pompous idiots running the village, and that is what we are dealing with.  Self - congratulating, out of touch Broderites who think polishing a turd will suffice, even as the American people demand meaningful change.

I think episodes like this should strengthen our resolve to get as many people health care (which is different from health "insurance") as we can while we push single - payer.  Couple that with passing the EFCA, and we'll be off to a good start.  

Colbert Nation Gulf of America Fund


Typo (3.00 / 3)
I meant the only thing "worse"...

Btw, Happy (upcoming) Birthday!

Colbert Nation Gulf of America Fund


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It happens to me a lot and I got what you were saying (3.00 / 3)
Thanks, in 2 weeks, thoguh I'm not looking forward to turning 29.lol.

Thanks again, Micheal!



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I'll trade you a 29 for a 62! ;-) (3.00 / 4)
(I get to keep the grand-baby, though.)  

[ Parent ]
Wow...I didn't know that (3.00 / 3)
It's always hard to read people's ages online. I thought you were younger than that, though not too young, but I didn't know you were in your sixties. Well it's good to hear from you again, tapster.



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Thanks for the compliment, Price. (3.00 / 3)
The fact is, I don't know I'm in my 60's either!  If you wake me in the middle of the night and ask how old I am, I'll say "37".  

I don't feel my age, and pretty much (no bragging intended) I don't think I look it, either.  Today I took tap dancing classes for 2 hours, and have an all-day tap workshop coming up in three weeks, a 3-day workshop in the summer, and several competitions in spring.  Want to stay young?  Dance!  (Smiling works wonders, too.  It's a cheap facelift!)


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np. As the saying goes: You're only as old as you feel (3.00 / 2)
Wow, that is impressive, tapster. I think you're right. I do believe that dancing and other forms of exercise are important; they help me. Anything that gets your blood pumping and moves those endorphins and increases oxygen flow to the brain, helps(psychologically as well which is scientifically proven to be better than anti-depressants. I say that because I have struggled with depression at times, so I know).

Smiling does, too. That's why I am a big comedy fan and I watch a lot of stand-up and funny satirical animated programs. Laughing really does help you get through the day. George Carlin's comedy has gotten me through many tough days and I miss him a lot.

I usually let loose my funny side in the twilights. :D



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Thanks, MC! (3.00 / 4)
I was also thrilled to see him call out the eternal hackery of the cocktail crowd. That was a great analogy by Krugman about people outside the beltway who were right, but still considered "less serious" and the start of this war. the "experts" are not always right, and indeed a lot of the time they are completely wrong, whether on foreign policy or the Madoff economy they sold to everyone as a good idea.

Exactly health "care" is the optimal word. If we pass single payer or the EFCA, I as well as the collective we, will really have change we can believe in, but I'm worried about both of those bills and I at least expect Obama should get behind the EFCA, who could probably give unions more power to also push for better more regulated unionized health care if we can't pass HR 676, though we really need to and we need both for numerous reasons humane and economic. The Broderites have no credibility left and everyone can smell the turd they are polishing and it stinks all around.

That was a great column and that is also a great comment, MC.



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Most hip replacement surgeries are covered by Medicare (3.00 / 4)
because of the age group that needs hip replacement. That's our government-based Medicare system for seniors doing a good job providing coverage and keeping wait times very short.

Abstinence programs breed hypocrites.

Great point! You just debunked CNN's BS... (3.00 / 2)
about how great our private health insurance system is with hip replacements compared to government based care without acknowledging our government based Medicare system for seniors.

CNN: Americans have shorter wait times than everyone but Germans when seeking non-emergency elective procedures, like hip replacement, cataract surgery, or knee repair.

THE TRUTH:

   * This isn't the whole truth. CNN pulled out a statistic about elective procedures. Of the six countries surveyed in that study (United States, Canada, New Zealand, UK, Germany, Australia) only Canada had longer waiting times than America for sick adults waiting to schedule a doctor's appointment for a medical problem. 81% of patients in New Zealand got a same or next-day appointment for a non-routine visit, 71% in Britain, 69% in Germany, 66% in Australia, 47% in the U.S., and 36% in Canada. (The Doc's in, but It'll be AWhile. Catherine Arnst, Business Week. June 22, 2007 http://www.businessweek.com/te...
     tc20070621_716260_page_2.htm)
   * "Gerard Anderson, a Johns Hopkins health policy professor who has spent his career examining the world's healthcare, said there are delays, but not as many as conservatives state. In Canada, the United Kingdom and France, 'three percent of hospital discharges had delays in treatment,' Anderson told The Miami Herald. 'That's a relatively small number, and they're all elective surgeries, such as hip and knee replacement.' (John Dorschner, "'SiCKO' film is set to spark debate; Reformers are gearing up for 'Sicko,' the first major movie to examine America's often maligned healthcare system," Miami Herald, June 29, 2007.)
   * One way America is able to achieve decent waiting times is that it leaves 47 million people out of the health care system entirely, unlike any other Western country. When you remove 47 million people from the line, your wait should be shorter. So why is the U.S. second to last in wait times?
   * And there are even more Americans who keep themselves out of the system because of cost - in the United States, 24 percent of the population did not get medical care due to cost. That number is 5 percent in Canada, and 3 percent in the UK. (Inequities in Health Care: A Five-Country Survey. Robert Blendon et al, Health Affairs. Exhibit 5. http://content.healthaffairs.o...

Moore could use your analysis on this excellent page as it should also be added to counter Gupta. :D



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Michael Moore thumbs up, Sanjay Gupta...biases the facts (3.00 / 4)
Good posting!

Abstinence programs breed hypocrites.

Right on. (3.00 / 2)
Thanks, OklahomaVoter!



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Great Diary - and Rant. (3.00 / 3)
Here is the srory from NPR yesterday about Gupta and his possible involvement in Health Care:

http://www.npr.org/templates/s...

Not good ... :(

I am a Lost Donkey


Thanks, waiting for hope! (3.00 / 3)
Ahh, it adds insult to injury that he spent a year as a White House fellow, writing speeches and working on other projects for then-first lady Hillary Clinton and then shills for the industry that killed her UHC proposals, though she shouldn't have taken their money to run for President this year, either, but still.

Not good, indeed.



[ Parent ]
Excellent piece. (3.00 / 3)
Thanks for the information.

Karita Hummer


Thanks for reading, Karita :-) (3.00 / 2)




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