Saturday Evening Question, Link Parking, & Open Thread

So Twilighters - How You Doin'? :D and here's a tune for you: (3.00 / 2)

--poligirl  :D

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards

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by: poligirl @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 21:29:56 PM CST

I just found a song for my next food diary (3.00 / 2)

Let me park this here.

"Democracy only works when we claim it as our own" -Bill Moyers

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by: Eddie C @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 21:56:20 PM CST

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There is no chance of a health care bill being passed (3.00 / 2)

But that bullshit the Dems are calling a "health care bill" has a very good chance.  

"Democracy only works when we claim it as our own" -Bill Moyers

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by: Eddie C @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 22:02:00 PM CST

hey Eddie! i agree - no chance of real health care... (3.00 / 3)

but i'm not sure they're gonna be able to pass the crap they call a health care bill either... :D

--poligirl  :D

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards

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by: poligirl @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 22:14:28 PM CST

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Hey poligirl (3.00 / 3)

I just got done with reading George Carlin's memoirs called Last Words.

I'm able to read the whole thing now so now I'm reading the Shock Doctrine again since I lent it to my mom whom wanted to read it first. In-between books I read a lot of graphic novels too because I love them and there are so many good ones.

Anyway, the question; I believe there will be some kind of health insurance reform that passes but not health care reform which will turn into a failure and used against us if we ever try to improve on it. We won't succeed, because Obama and Democratic leadership are also failing and watering down financial reform as we know it.

We blew out chance here, because so many Democrats believed in wishy washy bipartisan hopeful dreaming delirium on both accounts. I call BS on any politician on our side that says this will be revisited if we don't have any public option or Medicare Buy In 55+. We are not going to ever be able to create a new system like we need to without any resemblance of it now(it took this long to pass cap reform and we are somehow going to do this again? Give me a break). It's BS. Even if progressive Senators or Reps say it, it's BS without any public option.

Sorry to be pessimistic, but many people rightfully are. This really is more demoralizing than during the Bush years, because we had to go from November to this as Moore states well.

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by: priceman @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 22:07:35 PM CST

hey priceman! i agree... we blew our chance for real... (3.00 / 2)

health care reform, but i'm not even sure the big ins company giveaway they have now will even pass...

and MM rocks!

--poligirl  :D

(-5.75,-4.92) "Compromise sounds a lot like capitulation, doesn't it?" --Elizabeth Edwards

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by: poligirl @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 22:15:47 PM CST

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Please don't write that (3.00 / 2)

I'm not going on any research adventures to prove my point but you and I both know it was not "wishy washy bipartisan dreaming." It was a full blown sell out.

Making their bullshit sound like a political blunder is just downright unfair to the other 308 million Americans elected Dems pretend to serve.  

"Democracy only works when we claim it as our own" -Bill Moyers

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by: Eddie C @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 22:18:07 PM CST

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I'm talking about "the mindset of the base" (3.00 / 3)

I know this wasn't just a political blunder, though there were political blunders which show how much of a sellout this was as I write here.

They couldn't do it without the greatest story ever sold and that's what has half of the base still dreaming and making excuses and enabling this.

That's what I mean.

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by: priceman @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 22:25:01 PM CST

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It goes back to "make me do it" via FDR (3.00 / 3)

Democrats, like many on the kos who can't let go of that 2008 hopeful delirium think and bought that getting involved in a presidential campaign was movement politics and it wasn't. Instead like blackwaterdog, they are in hero worship mode and use emotional appeals like posting pictures of Obama and his family and accuse people of being racist for any criticism.

As long as you have a base willing to make whatever creative excuse they can to appease whatever sellout this administration and Senate and House leadership capitulate to, there will never be a movement to change anything. This "don't make the perfect the enemy of the good" thing is outmoded and it needs to stop. there is nothing good about bargaining away all of the power your activist base has in this debate for for profit hospitals, insurance companies, Wall Street, or big Pharma.

Now there are a decent amount of progressives, but we must work on educating or ridding our party of corporate, centrist, apologists who don't want to think, they just want to believe.

I have met the enemy and he is us - Pogo.

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by: priceman @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 22:38:19 PM CST

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love it, priceman :-) (3.00 / 3)

base?, which base?  

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by: notfondoflava @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 23:26:29 PM CST

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The Progressive base in this example. labor etc. (3.00 / 3)

but really any supporter who is not dumb enough to act like Obama never campaigned on a public option or we all know he would of never won the Iowa caucuses without adding it to his plan from Edwards. Admitting facts would make them somewhat progressive but many sycophants on the big orange are not.

I go at those sycophants like few do and I kick their ass when I do it, because they are the problem as well which was my point above.

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by: priceman @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 23:45:19 PM CST

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