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On The Edwards Campaign

by: Michael Conrad

Thu Feb 11, 2010 at 13:59:53 PM EST


This is the final preliminary post in a series on the Obama presidency that was initially going to be posted after the health care reform effort was finished in December of last year.  Continuing to wait for a resolution on this issue would push the series back even further, so I'm going to post it now with a scaled down health care section.

In the two months since this original version of this post was written, there have been new developments that have cast John Edwards in an increasingly negative light.  Everytime I think this story has hit bottom, I'm proven wrong.  There are bound to be very strong feelings about this, but I believe that at the bottom of this mess there is something very important, despite how far one of its most recent champions has fallen.  The goal of this post is to take another look at why the 2008 Edwards campaign was supported by many in the Democratic base (especially labor and the progressive blogosphere), and the aspects of the campaign and its message that are especially relevant today.

Below is an overview of where I was coming from when I supported Edwards, and where I'm coming from now.  This is meant to be a discussion starter.  Feel free to weigh in.  

Michael Conrad :: On The Edwards Campaign
Becoming A Supporter

The 2004 presidential election was the first one I was heavily invested in (I was barely eligible to vote in 2000). After President Bush was re - elected, I paid close attention to the discussion that was taking place between grassroots Democrats, and in compilations like What We Do Now, Get This Party Started, and Start Making Sense. In late 2005, after thinking a lot about the future of the Democratic Party, I wrote down a phrase that summed up what I saw as the way forward: progressive populism.

Shortly after this, John Edwards wrote in an op - ed that he was wrong to have voted to authorize the war in Iraq.  This put the former North Carolina Senator, who I was much more familiar with as the party's most recent vice presidential nominee, near the top of my "potential candidates to watch" list.

As the 2006 mid - terms approached, I saw the 2008 nomination contest as increasingly pivotal for the direction of the party.  The Democratic candidate had a very good chance of winning, and potentially influencing the party's identity even more than President Clinton did in the 90's.  Besides Edwards, there were three other candidates who appealed to me --  Illinois Senator Barack Obama, Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold, and Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell.   Indiana Senator Evan Bayh and former Virginia Governor (now Senator) Mark Warner joined frontrunner Hillary Clinton on top of the list of candidates I didn't want to see get the nomination, primarily because I wanted more than a restoration of the 1990's.

Only Edwards, Obama, and Clinton ended up making the race.  By the end of 2006, I was backing Edwards.  After the 2007 DNC Winter Meeting, I considered myself a committed supporter.  

Why Edwards?

Here's the outline of what I wrote in the comment section of the "Why I'm With Edwards" edition of the EENR series in mid 2007.

He's the progressive populist in the race.

He's the most committed to fighting for the major change that is needed.

He understands that trying to play nice with entrenched special interests has never worked, and won't work now.

He can help restore the Democratic Party's identity as the party of the working / middle class.  He communicates to blue collar workers in an effective and compelling way.

He has ran the most substantive campaign.

He gets that this is not about him.

Almost all of the general election polling shows that he is by far the most electable Democrat / he can help down - ticket.

The right - wing fears him / he has the right enemies.

His campaign is about reclaiming the Democratic party and our country, not how cool he is as a person.

An Edwards presidency will help more Democrats realize that we can win big and stand up for what we believe in. In fact, the best way to win big is to stand up for what we believe in.

Some of those reasons were a little redundant, but I think you get the point.  Right before the results of the Iowa Caucus started to come in, I wrote that "a win for John Edwards is a win for progressive populism."  

Obama was my second choice, and I reluctantly moved into the support column when Edwards dropped out.  Why Edwards instead of Obama?  I agreed with Edwards on issues like trade and education, thought it was crucial that he approached K street from a position of strength, and appreciated seemingly small things like the way he talked about guns.  I also Obama's post - partisanship as "a misdirection to fantasy land."

I was well aware that some Dems questioned Edwards' shift from 04' to 08', and at times so did I.  But I thought he had pretty much "locked himself in" to being a bolder brand of Democrat, and I know for a fact that I wasn't the only enthusiastic supporter who went through the same thought process.  At the end of the day, I was convinced nominating him was the right thing to do policy wise, and the smart thing to do politically.

Most of the general election polling at the time showed Edwards would be the best general candidate candidate, especially in the Midwest, the "Rust Belt", and parts of the South. If he had won IA, SC, and the nomination, the message he was already using would have worked very well as a response to the economic crisis.  He would have been in position to break 400 electoral votes, and bring a number of down - ticket Dems to Washington with him.  The general election polling, of course, had a huge margin of error of an affair that is absolutely toxic politically.

Charges, Denials, And Admissions

When the allegations surfaced in November of 2007, I thought they were laughable except for the damage they might do to his campaign.   They came from the National Enquirer, an outlet I neither cared about or respected.  In my mind, they were one step removed from "Bat Boy Caught Hanging Out With Elvis And Tupac... Who Are Both Alive, Of Course!"

I also didn't think a major presidential candidate could get away with something like this because of press coverage, opposition research, and being generally surrounded by staffers and supporters.  I thought that if Edwards was really having an affair, someone who was more committed to Democratic values than a candidate would have almost certainly found out and leaked the information to a credible news outlet.  These weren't just any allegations that could turn into a battle of who is more trustworthy, Edwards or a tabloid.   A baby was going to be born, and if John Edwards was the father, it was only a matter of time before someone would prove it, or force Edwards to.

There have been recent reports that people inside the campaign were going to go to either the New York Times of the Washington Post in the event that Edwards won Iowa.  So maybe my thinking wasn't that far off, I was just naive about what it would take to trigger intervention.

When the charges resurfaced months after Edwards dropped out of the presidential race, the story still seemed odd to me.  I read that The Enquirer claimed it had pictures, but I also read that there was some kind of media gathering at the hotel on the same night.  That struck me as unbelievable.  

"If he was doing this, would he really be that stupid?  And if this is his baby, how in the world would Andrew Young have gotten his wife to go along with a cover story that Young cheated on her?"

A couple of days before the announcement of the affair, I got this nagging feeling that there was some "there" there, and I probably wasn't alone among Edwards backers.

Then I saw the ABC story that announced Edwards was admitting to the affair.  Since then, it's gotten worse and worse.  The subsequent revelations haven't surprised me as much as they've shown just how wrong my "this would have gotten out" theory was.

The shock that the National Enquirer had been vindicated eventually mixed with anger.  Like others, I was fine with the fact that Edwards didn't have the best chance of winning the nomination.  His campaign was also about the future of the Democratic Party, and the big change our country needed.  But by running while engaging in this behavior, John Edwards risked doing tremendous damage to the very things that rallied people to his campaign.

Substantively, I don't care about the private lives of elected officials and candidates.  Very few of us have personal lives that are free of things we're not proud of.  As long as actions don't get in the way of someone's job as an elected official, and there isn't a hypocrisy factor (see: Larry Craig and David Vitter), it's not a big deal to me.  But John Edwards damn sure knew the political reality, and he knew that the circumstances surrounding the affair made it completely indefensible.  He knew that if this got out, it would have opened the door to terrible consequences for the very people he talked about fighting for.  And that's what really gets to me.

It's true that FDR, LBJ, and RFK (three of my political heroes; something that probably isn't unusual for former Edwards supporters) were far from perfect on this front.  But that was before the press really started covering this stuff.  That was before the Lewinsky obsession.  2008 wasn't anything like1968.

20/20

The Edwards campaign did really good things for the Democratic Party message wise.  It adopted ideas like Jacob Hacker's public option that became rallying points for the Democratic coalition during the Obama presidency.  The Edwards campaign served an important purpose, but it also ended up being a very close call.

As far as Elizabeth Edwards is concerned, the urge of some to counter the notion that she is a saint with a demonization is transparent and ridiculous.  Her hands aren't clean on this, but she was (and continues to be) under a tremendous amount of stress in a situation that is probably very hard to understand if you're not in it.   That doesn't mean that the role she played is excusable, but in many ways it is understandable.   She's not a saint.  She's not a demon. She's a human being who, regardless of her personal flaws, cares deeply about very important issues and has done a lot to push them to the forefront.

There are some things about the Edwards campaign that are a source of pride: fellow supporters, a bold and timely message, a labor - netroots coalition, and campaign staff and surrogates who are among the best the Democratic Party has to offer, from David Bonior and Kate Michelman to Chris Koffinis and Cate Edwards.

In an ironic twist, just as John Edwards was admitting that he was the father of the child, President Obama was starting to sound like a progressive populist, though this was short - lived.

In hindsight, John Edwards obviously wasn't the right messenger.  Still, there is something at the core of the grassroots support for the Edwards campaign that is not only salvageable, but vital for the future of the Democratic Party.

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Exactly, so. (3.00 / 2)
Your analysis is mine to a "T".  My initial (but brief)hesitance and reluctance, my enthusiastic reason for supporting Edwards - the absolute beauty, breadth and clarity of the message re. One America - and compelling need for it (which hasn't changed one iota), and my own sense that the vision is harder now to attain, almost more than ever, especially since the Supreme Court Decision.  (Also, even this Supreme Court decision shows how right Edwards was in his analysis of the daunting challenge before us.)  

But, I also agree with you, Michael, that the forces that supported the Edwards message should not be allowed to dwindle and sputter, though many may feel dispirited to try again.

I, myself, am looking to these organizations to achieve the progressive vision: "Change Congress" (Lawrence Lessig and Joe Trippi - http://change-congress.org/abo... and their "Fix Congress First" Campaign, as well as Public Citizen and Campaign for America's Future (http://www.ourfuture.org/)  Notice they will be convening again in June for their annual conference in Washington, D.C.  (Hope springs eternal.)

I must admit that sometimes I do feel rather hopeless about the goal of One America, at least in my life time (I am in my 70th year) but I don't think we can/should do anything but try.  I still feel grateful to John Edwards for his articulation of the vision, and I think what few progressive ideas are around were boosted by his campaign.  No, I am not sorry that I slogged through Iowa in the freezing cold before the Caucus, because the campaign for me was all about the vision.  In essence, it was for me and thee.

Karita Hummer


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Thanks (3.00 / 1)
for your great posts on the Citizens United fallout.

You're right that it confirms the central, and most salient point of the Edwards campaign.  

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I feel the same way, MC (3.00 / 3)
Substantively, I don't care about the private lives of elected officials and candidates.  Very few of us have personal lives that are free of things we're not proud of.  As long as actions don't get in the way of someone's job as an elected official, and there isn't a hypocrisy factor (see: Larry Craig and David Vitter), it's not a big deal to me. But John Edwards damn sure knew the political reality, and he knew that the circumstances surrounding the affair made it completely indefensible.  He knew that if this got out, it would have opened the door to terrible consequences for the very people he talked about fighting for.  And that's what really gets to me.

It's true that FDR, LBJ, and RFK (three of my political heroes; something that probably isn't unusual for former Edwards supporters) were far from perfect on this front.  But that was before the press really started covering this stuff.  That was before the Lewinsky obsession.  2008 wasn't anything like 1968.

I'm kind of pissed about the sex tape. That's reckless(also not using protection and impregnating someone else), even though as you said, worse things happened like if someone videotaped JFK double teaming it in the WH pool with female German spies with Jackie at the door and not being let in by Secret Service, but this is not the age of 24 hour news.

This was shocking to me, because it's not like Edwards wasn't vetted, he was VP nominee in 2004 for goodness sake. Like you I thought the NE was laughable and Sranahan is still a dumbass for believing them solely(Though now that I think about it, not filing a lawsuit right away kind of should of spoke to some of the rumors you mention as well)and I don't regret kicking his ass on daily kos till he was banned, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

But despite this, I can't regret he was in the race at all because as you lay out:

The Edwards campaign did really good things for the Democratic Party message wise.  It adopted ideas like Jacob Hacker's public option that became rallying points for the Democratic coalition during the Obama presidency.  The Edwards campaign served an important purpose, but it also ended up being a very close call.

Think of how DLC Republi-lite this campaign would of been without this adoption by Edwards. I think it said and says a lot that the other two candidates couldn't write policy(surprising for Hillary since 1993 and she didn't have one till way  late and a complete carbon copy too) and Obama borrowed everything but the mandate and campaigned against that. How funny that I now agree with the Obama back then and not with him now as he totally flipped on that).

I have to say that it's fair to say John Edwards is a shitty husband and Elizabeth as you said is not totally innocent, but she also has to think about her mortality and how she wanted to spend the rest of her life, and does one want to work for something and make a difference or wallow? I think perhaps in many ways, the campaign was a life force for her and a way for her to forget and think about others. there's also the issue of not wanting to cause a rift in the family for the children in the relatively short time Elizabeth is told she has left. It s quite a dilemma and easier for someone to judge from afar, though i think she should of came forward earlier when the tabloids would have forgotten this faster before the spotlight was on john Edwards. She has admitted as much.

As far as Elizabeth Edwards is concerned, the urge of some to counter the notion that she is a saint with a demonization is transparent and ridiculous.  Her hands aren't clean on this, but she was (and continues to be) under a tremendous amount of stress in a situation that is probably very hard to understand if you're not in it.   That doesn't mean that the role she played is excusable, but in many ways it is understandable.   She's not a saint.  She's not a demon. She's a human being who, regardless of her personal flaws, cares deeply about very important issues and has done a lot to push them to the forefront.

Some people got mad at me for defending David Bonior for being pissed, but wouldn't you be? After all, he gave our campaign absolute relevance when it came to trade issues.

There are some things about the Edwards campaign that are a source of pride: fellow supporters, a bold and timely message, a labor - netroots coalition, and campaign staff and surrogates who are among the best the Democratic Party has to offer, from David Bonior and Kate Michelman to Chris Koffinis and Cate Edwards.

I also have to be thankful for meeting you, poligirl, LaEscapee, BruceMcF, edgery, Karita Hummer, grannyhelen(I believe poligirl, grannyhelen, and Karita were on the original Edwards site where I first started posting and blogging politically before moving on and butting heads with other supporters on the daily kos), and lots of cool people I know on the kos via TomP, and many people who don't post here anymore like Redjet and cosbo whom sent me a notice to this site after the primary gloating drove most Edwards supporters away from the big orange. My apologies if I forgot anyone but there are so many.

This campaign would be a lot worse without his entrance though and we wouldn't have campaign promises from Obama to beat him over the head with about many things he is running away from now. When Obama acts right we have Edwards presence in the race to thank.

It's also important to remember that Edwards never had a chance so the fear mongering about "what if" is mute. The thoughtlessness still bothers me as you said, but Obama barely beat Hillary and think about how much money they both spent, especially Obama who out-raised her? not to mention the COM decided(maybe a good thing in this case) that it was going to be Hillary or Obama.

I was always inspired by his work as a trial lawyer for personal reasons and experience and Obama supporting a tort reform measure turned me off of his candidacy early, though I still helped him get elected in 2008 to not relive 2004 when I worked for the Kerry Edwards ticket as well.

I still think the Edwards candidacy and platform was very good for progressives and making the Democratic party platform of 2008 more progressive and no one can argue with that.



Thanks for your thoughts priceman! (3.00 / 2)
When I found out that the sex tape had been sitting in a box  in a house that was for sale (the tape might have been cut, but it was clearly easy to put back together) the severity of the recklessness floored me.

You're right on about what the campaign would have been without him, and Bonior, who spoke for a lot of us when he was asked about Edwards at the convention.

I really liked Edwards' defense of why Democrats take money from trial lawyers (it was at the last debate he took part in, IIRC).   Tort "reform" seems to be about two things:

- More risk shifting.
- Depriving people who give to Democrats of resources.  

This is Grover Norquist - style "Defund the Dems" 101.  When President Obama called tort "reform" the GOP's "holy grail" at his Q&A with House Republicans, it made me wonder if he realized what he was doing... and for what in return?

As a Senator, Obama defended his vote on this issue to consumer groups by saying he was "trimming his sails," as if it was out of necessity. I fundamentally disagree with the notion that there is such a thing as a "pragmatic" pushover.  Sometimes there are hard choices to be made, but if Democrats don't come from a position of strength, we will get rolled every single time.  

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Of course President Obama knows what he is doing ... (3.00 / 2)
... without the trial lawyers, the influence of the Hedge Fund managers can only get stronger.

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Thanks, MC (3.00 / 3)
I also loved that moment

I really liked Edwards' defense of why Democrats take money from trial lawyers (it was at the last debate he took part in, IIRC).   Tort "reform" seems to be about two things:

Tort reform is about corporate welfare and destroying the Bill of Rights; particularly the 7th amendment right to a real jury trial which lets juries decide what damages you can collect based on the situation. It's the chamber of Commerce's favorite issue and you know they are happy now that Edwards doesn't have a political career anymore.

They lie about malpractice lawsuits and medical costs as it amounts to less than 1/2 of 1% of all costs actually counted, not partisan CBO calculated(it's getting very partisan lately calculating fake savings from tax cuts), and yet we still hear Obama talking about throwing Republicans a bone here.

It's about taking away citizens access to the Judicial system and capping damages so no lawyer will want to take your case. It's already been implemented and it has failed, in my state and others as well as what you said about depriving people who give to Democrats of resources. It's such BS.

Luckily Obama hasn't made any serious steps towards tort reform yet but I don't put it past him to go for bipartisan-shit for shit reform on all levels.



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Actually, I would swap.... (3.00 / 2)
...tort reform for the public option.  Of course, the tort reform I envision would be the "three-strikes" version advocated by both Edwards and John Kerry in 2004.  Lawyers who file three malpractice suits deemed to be frivolous are barred from filing any more malpractice suits.  If there is "jackpot justice" going on, then no one should be able to stand at the slot machine indefinitely.  As you say, we're only talking about .5% of total costs, but the right would have us believe it's 50%.  I say throw them the bone, knowing that they would reject it, and the right will look even more like unprincipled twits.

As for the main subject of this diary, I am still very angry with John Edwards.  Yes, he stood for the right issues and policies, but as a man, he sucks, and I do regret supporting his campaign.  We give our money, time, and votes to people, not a policy platform, and perhaps John Edwards is a living, breathing example of why this not such a good thing.  Having the affair obligated Edwards to step aside and allow another candidate (namely Russ Feingold) to carry the progressive populist banner.  It would have been right for the movement and for the volunteers who pour blood, sweat and tears into it.

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I would have to slightly disagree (3.00 / 2)
Most cases are vetted as it is, and if they are frivolous are thrown out of court. It's hard enough to win damages even when you have a case. There never really has been jackpot justice(maybe before the Chamber of Commerce propaganda brigade was fully unleashed also unleashing unsympathetic judges and jurors) and if there was, it's within the confines of the seventh amendment and it's the only proven way to curtail corporate misbehavior whether you look Nader's crusaders and the Pento among many other things we take for granted or getting rid of some of the worst surgeons or doctors out there.  

I don't think settling on Constitutional rights is something that can't go on indefinitely if it did, and it doesn't. Justice is never automatic and that's also true as you admit gong by the numbers.

This is why though  the 3 strikes and you're out tort reform was enough for me to support in 2004, I didn't even think throwing that bone out there had really a point to it. Even though that would put some minds at ease who think jackpot justice is causing our health care windfall problem, when it clearly is not.

I'm not willing to compromise there and many of the Republicans demands are in the HCR bill, but are they voting for it? No. They lie and say there is nothing in it. There are some tort reform provisions in the Senate HCR bill, showing just how weak and ineffective we are at the bargaining table because we got nothing from them or our Conservadem-oligarchs who made the bill this way and are being appeased.

And if you want a public option, we are just going to have to shove it down their throats through reconciliation, if Dems have the balls that is, but apparently they are going to pass crap reform through reconciliation which defeats the point.

I understand your argument, but we have already thrown them lots of bones in this bill and they are going to simply vote no. They already do look like nitwits but so do we now that we got rid of the most popular provisions in the bill via a public option and the medicare 55+ Buy In.

I understand your feelings towards Edwards and you have a right to feel that way, but he didn't just support the right policies, he defined them for this race which is the only reason I cut him slight slack, though I regret sending him almost $500 because as a candidate he fooled all of us into thinking he was the most electable and that was important and polling at the time supported that so that was quite deceptive for him to tout.

I don't agree that we only support people; that's not why I supported Edwards, though you do have to take that into consideration as far as our electoral system goes or you hurt the very people you're trying to help like MC said. The other canddiates couldn't write policy and that's why I can't regret his entry into the race or we, including you, wouldn't even be talkin about a public option.

You do need someone who can effectively push those issues and Edwards seemed like he had the strength of message that someone like Kucinich(who we all agree with mostly but is not and effective didn't have, but that was wrong. So in a way you have a point, but this 2008 platform would still be a lot weaker if Edwards was not in the race regardless. I'm disappointed and pissed too, though.

Russ Feingold wouldn't be talking about a public option, just affordable health care, and I like Russ Feingold(health care was not his most progressive issue though, but he is there now and I liked how he spoke the truth that Obama didn't lead on the public option but he didn't lead on this issue either) a lot, but if he was scared to run against Edwards, I don't see how he was going to fare better than Biden or Dodd or anyone else who had to run against the two anointed COM candidates Clinton and Obama.

Foreign policy, the bill of rights, Voting right on FISA, against Patriot Act and the war, these were Feingold's strengths. If he wanted to he could of hammered Edwards on these issues, much harder than "I wrote a speech against the war before I was in the Senate."

But also remember this Citizens United Ruling passed by one vote and Feingold voted to confirm Roberts so his record is not completely squeaky clean and an argument was made in the blogosphere at the time that that vote hurt his chances of running as well though he wasn't the only Democrat to do so. Feingold asked some of the best questions, but should have voted with the Liberal Lion(Man, I miss him) and vote against confirming Roberts or tried to filibuster Alito like all Democrats should have.

I also have problems with Feingold on economic issues; he has stated he wouldn't support another stimulus and that's not very progressive, he talked about the deficit right I guess he's not up on his Keynes now and that's very much FDR 1937 and very disappointing.

That being said he was a better candidate than Edwards, but there's some mythos to how progressive he really was as well. I also don't know if he had any true interest in running as it was all about Hillary Clinton at the time and perhaps he knew that.

I do agree with you on a number of things and I respect your opinion, but I'm mad at the utter recklessness and embarrassment this has brought to Edwards supporters, but I have to add some nuance to this.




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Nuance is important, no question. (3.00 / 2)
However, if JRE had been the nominee, the sex scandal still would have broken as the Democratic Convention was convening, and John McCain would have been elected President.  I know for a fact I would still be unemployed right now in that eventuality, or at best working for $9 an hour with no benefits.  This is what John Edwards risked by running for POTUS, and it is difficult to be nuanced in the face of the personal betrayal I feel.  

Thanks for the heads up on Feingold, priceman.  I remember reading he was contemplating the race in '08, while Ohio's Sherrod Brown had only just been elected to the Senate.  Thinking of 2016, I've been leaning toward Brown over Feingold - your comments definitely solidify that impression.

As for tort reform, I still believe we should put the Rethugs into the position of "voting for tort reform before they vote against it".  It is, after all, their signature health care reform proposal, much harder to walk away from than insurance portability, allowing small businesses to form bargaining pools, allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines, or their other non-solutions to our health care crisis.  This would far more about tactics than policy in the end.  Rather than fight the sadly effective canard of "damn lawyers bleeding the system", we turn the canard against them.  They lose no matter which way they turn; deal, and the Tea Party totally rebels - don't deal (the far more likely scenario) and we start waving flip-flops for the TV cameras.

It's great we can have this conversation, priceman!

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As I said above: (3.00 / 2)
It's also important to remember that Edwards never had a chance so the fear mongering about "what if" is mute. The thoughtlessness still bothers me as you said, but Obama barely beat Hillary and think about how much money they both spent, especially Obama who out-raised her? not to mention the COM decided(maybe a good thing in this case) that it was going to be Hillary or Obama.

Things would be a lot worse with McCain President for sure as there would be no stimulus at all though we needed a bigger one and need another one.

The recklessness does bother me, though and Hillary and Obama already committed to a public option after the Iowa caucus thanks to Edwards, but I think Edwards should of dropped out after the Iowa caucuses instead of acting like a contender because he already influenced the race by then and we would of saved a lot of money. Influencing this race was still very important, which is why I don't condemn his full entrance into it. the other candidates couldn't write policy and no one was taking Kucinich seriously as usual, so no one else could of haven influenced this race to why we are even talking about a public option.

Yeah, as long as Obama's name is behind something, it doesn't matter if it's their own proposals, they will vote nay; it's all about political points for them. the buying insurance across state lines was BS and it mirrors the credit car companies who all moved to SD and DE. Obama was good at calling BS on this during the campaign against McCain but now not so much. that and message discipline which is now in the shitter.

Besides what I laid out, I found out why Feingold didn't want to run. He never had a real desire and he didn't want his divorce opened up for scrutiny among other things.

Sen Sherrod Brown would be awesome(almost no one better on economic issues), though I don't know if he's interested. No Democrat is going to be running against Obama in 2012.

It's a shame Democrats ceded populist rage to the ignorant teabaggers and are supporting appointing Bernanke again except for progressives like Alan Grayson and Bernie Sanders as well as even Barbara Boxer.

Indeed, CLLGADEM. That's what makes this place great. Great conversation!




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Hello, Priceman! (3.00 / 2)
Yes the Blog on John Edwards was phenomenal.  Such excitement about the vision, because it was our vision, too.

I am grateful for knowing such wonderful people, and hope that again we will still work together again for the common good.

Karita Hummer


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It was awesome to meet you there, Karita (3.00 / 1)
and it was a phenomenal place. I wouldn't be on this blog or on the daily kos or the EENR series that spawned this blog without that springboard into blogging about politics.

Yes, silver pen awards to the future and beyond. :-)




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Yes, the Silver Pens!! (3.00 / 2)
So many there do deserve them for sure.  I had never ventured in to blogging before, and it is a really empowering tool.

A populist, too, despite the tarnishing of that term by the Tea Partiers.  Yuck!

Yes, let's keep organizing, for real populism.

Best wishes,

Karita


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I'm getting PO'd at the razzing (3.00 / 4)
from folks who know I supported JRE.  But I'm keeping calm, clamping my jaw...
I know they're frustrated with their (ultimately our) guy, too, so they razz me for relief.  I'm proud to have backed Edwards, he did force a change in the campaign rhetoric and as earworms go, so go the voters.  I'd really love a refund on that last donation I made 2 nights before his withdrawal from the race, though...

Well, Newt Gingrich can be taken out of political commission (3.00 / 3)
with the same accusations. Newt had an affair with another woman while wife was sick with cancer, but also promptly Newt abandoned and divorced his wife while she was recovering from cancer surgery. Newt married the person with whom he had an affair six months later. (See wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...

In a similarly crass and opportunistic way, McCain abandoned his crippled first wife for a richer, younger trophy wife.

The Republicans are all about talking about family values...NOT LIVING THEM.  

Abstinence programs breed hypocrites.


Hello! (3.00 / 2)
So nice to see all the gang, here, still "burning the midnight oil."

Karita Hummer


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It would seem that the rule is its OK ... (3.00 / 1)
... if you abandon your first wife and marry your mistress.

But then there is the Governor of the state JRE was born in, so I guess that it flips if the mistress is a furriner.

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